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MUSICIAN Jeff Crandall has posted a song to mark the events in Minnesota and ICE. I spoke to him recently. I thank him for his time and the response to the events as well.
https://swallows.bandcamp.com/track/insurrection-song
I think we all know that Minnesota is getting a great deal of news
coverage due to the ICE actions and Immigration issues accusations of
corruption. How have you been responding as an artist?
I think I’ve been responding like many people in the state - as a
citizen first. Even though this type of abuse of power is something I’ve
been concerned about for several years, it is still shocking when it
winds up happening in your own backyard. Over the past few weeks, I’ve
spent quite a bit of time just trying to understand the extent of what
is going on and also trying to understand what the politically strategic
point of the surge is. I think we all expected that there would be more
aggressive immigration enforcement efforts under this administration,
but Metro Surge is something entirely different.
What we are witnessing in Minnesota is a very serious erosion of civil
rights - not just those of undocumented immigrants but also those of
United States citizens and other legal residents of the state. It is a
very dangerous and unprecedented situation that is now spreading to
other cities, and it is clearly by design. The Trump administration is
using existing laws to justify the tactics that are being used on the
ground; however, they are playing semantic games to circumvent the
actual intent and limits of those laws. In doing so, they are violating a
whole litany of individual rights that are guaranteed under the Bill of
Rights.
Although I follow politics fairly closely in my everyday life, I
generally choose to not directly address political issues in my lyrics. I
generally prefer to write about things that are less topical in nature,
but when things hit this close to home, it is hard to just sit on the
sidelines and remain a dispassionate observer.
I’ve always understood that there was going to be a moment in a second
Trump administration when we would all be tested, because I’ve never
believed that he would give up power easily a second time. I don’t like
to react to everything that Trump or his administration does, but when
it comes down to the administration routinely violating the
constitution, attempting to instigate violence and mayhem in the
streets, and lying about it in such an obvious manner, one can’t help
but react to it and start speaking out about it.
And when you see your friends and other Minnesotans putting themselves
at risk to document these abuses of power and to help other Minnesotans
in need, you really feel a need to do something - to get off the
sidelines and participate. I’m a songwriter, so one of the things I’m
naturally going to do is express what I’m feeling about all of this
through music. To write a song or attend a protest is just a small
gesture of support for the monumental efforts of others that I’m
witnessing all around the state.
Knowing Swallows and other related bands are Minnesotan, do you as
artists invite so called cancellation or notoriety if you respond?
Sure, there is a risk to speaking out and flying our flag. But what are
artists to do in a situation like this? Protest is a legitimate and
important part of artistic expression and, among other things, it is the
duty of the artist to report and respond to reality. It comes with the
territory. I don’t mean to alienate anyone, but when the
insurrectionists are literally in charge of the government and the laws
of the nation are being ignored or stretched beyond comprehension by
those who have sworn an oath to upholding those laws, the house is on
fire, metaphorically speaking. So, that’s where we are right now. Our
nation is on fire. Are we supposed to ignore this reality and pretend
that it isn’t so?
I think most of us would agree that we’d prefer that it hadn’t come to
this, but it has, and now we have to respond before we lose our
democracy. The people will have to save American democracy; our
institutions are failing one by one at the task of holding the line
against the creeping authoritarianism we are currently living through.
So, the citizens of the country are going to need to vote every day with
our voices and with our bodies to protect the democracy. The laws and
courts will follow, but those processes move slowly, and Trump
administration is fully taking advantage of the slow wheels of justice.
So, the people of the nation will need to slow down the Trump
administration’s attack on democracy long enough for our institutions to
catch up. 2026 will be the year we either save or lose our country.
That is what is on the line right now. Even if we make it through the
midterms and have “free and fair” elections, there will still be a
struggle to preserve the democracy. But the midterm elections are the
first goal post we have to reach.
There comes a time when you have to decide which side of history you
want to be on, and I think we’ve passed a point of no return where if
you don’t pick a side, a side will be picked for you. I’d rather make it
clear where I stand before my silence becomes a part of the problem. I
don’t want to be coopted by this administration, and I don’t want to
allow the fear of retribution or blowback make my decisions for me.
Right now, I may suffer some minor inconvenience for exercising my first
amendment rights, but if we don’t fight to save our democracy now, the
penalty for speaking up could be far worse in a few months or years. It
is just that kind of moment. I don’t think this is even remotely a
close call at this point. If the first amendment wasn’t created for a
moment like this, then what the hell is it for?
How can people outside the state do something to help?
People outside of the state can learn from and replicate what the people
of Minnesota are doing here. I don’t necessarily think they need to
come here because ICE and border patrol will likely be coming to them
soon enough. They can add their voices and their support - as they have
been doing. This pressure campaign by the Trump administration is going
to spread, especially in the swing states and blue-leaning states. So,
other impacted states are going to need to get organized to keep up the
public pressure campaign to expose what the administration is actually
doing and to show their support by protesting in the streets. Visibility
is very important. The administration won’t stop until the bottom falls
out on their support and Republicans in congress finally step in to
save themselves from a catastrophe. Republicans should be very worried
about what is happening right now. They just lost a gerrymandered seat
in Texas to a Democrat by a landslide and there were more Republicans
who voted in that race than Democrats. It is just one of the signs of a
seismic shift in public support against the administration. At the same
time, though, if Trump starts to feel cornered, he will strike out in
other ways, so we all need to stay vigilant and try to do what we all
can to curtail his most destructive impulses.
So, we are in a race against time to get to the midterm elections. Trump
doesn’t believe Republicans can hold the house without extreme measures
to change the outcome of the election. So, he will continue to push to
create some sort of situation where he can interfere with the elections
in some way - or perhaps in many ways. People in other states need to be
protecting their state processes to ensure that they can have free and
fair elections in their states. They need to resist the temptation to
react violently to Trump’s attempts to antagonize them. This is not so
much to deter Trump from doing whatever he is going to do, but instead
to make sure he and his administration continue to look like the
aggressors and the ones who are way out of line with traditional
American values. Public support is critical, and we need all Americans
who value our constitution and our democracy to join in the non-violent
resistance to this administration. The second things turn to violence in
the streets all bets are off, so people need to keep their wits about
them. These paramilitary officers in our streets are bad enough. It
would be a tragedy for the U.S. Military to be occupying American
cities.
I think that Trump’s plan is to keep up the pressure campaign and expand
it to other states as they hire more ICE agents. They just have to
light a fuse somewhere. But if people can continue to expose the
administration’s unconstitutional tactics and also remain peaceful and
lawful (as much as possible under these extreme circumstances), then
public opinion may crater enough for Republicans to look for a way out.
At least, that is the hope. If Trump can’t be stopped outright, it is
important to take away his power base and make him the lame duck that he
really ought to be. Then, if the Democrats do well in the midterms,
there will at least be some congressional oversight and possibly some
accountability that is missing now.
As some will argue for the legality of what is being done, does
resistance to legal actions by the state threaten future actions, by
making everything "play" at such a high volume nothing has nuance and
understanding?
Yes, of course, this is the intent of the Trump administration. They are
trying to get the general public and especially the MAGA base to
confuse cause and effect. They are also purposefully obfuscating
standing law by calling things what they are not. This has long been a
tactic of political parties, but the purposeful dissemination of
disinformation is on steroids right now. Nuance and understanding are
out the window at this point. For better or worse, symbolism and course
political dialogue is the only thing that will break through the noise
right now. That is why, for instance, the photo of five year old Liam
Conejo Ramos in his blue bunny hat and with his Spider-Man backpack had
much more impact on public opinion than a thousand printed words could
ever have. It serves as a symbol of just how extreme the policies of the
Trump administration have become.
Do I agree with every tactic that is being used by protestors in
Minnesota? I do think there is some risk to feeding the narrative of the
administration when protestors engage in acts of violence or enter
places of worship and things like that. I don’t see those tactics as
being particularly helpful to the cause, which necessarily needs to
expand public outrage to groups that aren’t normally aligned with
progressive politics. This can’t be a moment where the American left
just speaks to its own supporters. That is the mistake the Trump
administration is making, and we should allow them to keep making that
mistake. We should let the Trump administration fail in its overreach
while exposing what they are doing. We need a massive movement to fight
this fight, and I just hope people can keep their heads in the right
place until the job is done. By and large, people are being quite sober
in their approach to this, so I don’t have any major complaints because
the approach seems to be working so far, and the strategy of filming the
agents wherever they are is having a huge impact in terms of public
opinion. I do understand the outrage people feel. We all should be
outraged. But we also have to be smarter than those who would have us
take the bait. Again, I’m very proud that people of Minnesota are not
taking the bait and for everything we are doing to preserve law and
order and to protect our neighbors.
The goal isn’t to win per se, because there is no winning each of these
battles. It is to show up, to show the level of public dissent against
these policies, to document the actions of the officers, and to hold the
line on democracy. There will be mistakes and unfortunate situations
where the protestors do interfere with these operations; however, the
agents are stretching these concepts beyond a reasonable application of
the law. The idea that everything they do is a targeted operation, that
people following them from a distance constitutes interference, that
filming them is a crime worthy of a beating or a death sentence, etc. is
something that those engaging in resistance cannot control. The
protestors can, however, abide by the laws as they have typically been
interpreted in the past. To not resist the occupation at all would be to
capitulate to the Trump administration and allow for these
unconstitutional sweeps and other unlawful activities by federal
officers to go unwitnessed and unreported. And that is not an acceptable
outcome.
Have you done other political works?
When I first started writing songs, many of them were political or
topical in nature. I wrote songs about the United States’ intervention
in Afghanistan in the 1980s, songs about immigration issues between the
United States and Mexico, songs about the treatment of the poor and
homeless in California, songs about racism, songs about the mistreatment
of women, and songs about other current events and topics that were
close to my heart. In many cases, these were songs about things I had
personally experienced or witnessed. Others were about people in
difficult situations who were close to me and some were just taken from
the news.
There was even a brief time in the early 1990s during the first Gulf War
that I was one of the resident protest singers on my college campus at
the University of California, Davis. I played in a duo called The
Simples, and we wrote and sang protest songs against that very
short-lived war. I wrote a pretty decent song called “Supermarket War”
that we played along with some Bob Dylan and Pete Seeger songs at a huge
rally on campus. I think it is still the largest crowd I’ve ever played
for; however, the shelf life for that song wasn’t very long. The war
and the public sentiment against it - even at the university - didn’t
last long enough for me to record the song. I didn’t even have a tape
recorder at the time to capture it.
So, the song was lost to time. I worked hard on that song and it had a
lot of sections and some sharp, evocative lyrics, but it was very
explicitly tied to a war that only lasted a matter of days. After that
experience, I tended to write material that was more self-reflective,
personal, or philosophical in nature. I wanted to write about things
that had more permanence. But I do veer into the political with some of
my songs. I typically write those songs from angles that have more of a
universal message. A recent song I released under my pseudonym J. Briozo
called “All the Innocent” is one of those types of songs. I wrote that
one during the first Trump administration in response to the
demonization of immigrants seeking asylum in the United States. But I
wrote the lyrics to apply to all people rather than making it a specific
polemic against Trump and his politics. I don’t like to write as a
partisan or ideologue. I just think life is more nuanced than that, and I
prefer to think long and hard before I react. I generally write as a
soulful or spiritual humanist, I suppose. I believe in fairness and
human dignity over and against nationalism or religious dogma. In most
cases, I feel like taking dogmatic ideological positions in my writing
would limit my ability to explore deeper truths. And, yet, like I’ve
said, there is a time and a place for being present in the moment and
reporting what you see and hear. So, that is why I wrote “Insurrection
Song.” I knew we were in trouble when the first amendment right to
protest was being characterized as an insurrection by the people who
actually fomented an actual insurrection five years ago.
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Hello friends, today I present to you an interview with a musical genius. Aaron Kerr is a composer, a cellist, a thinker most deep, a father, friend, and much more. I have a great appreciation for him beyond those mentioned areas. We took a goal of producing my poetry, once a day, to his composing music every day, to create a gathering of ideas and music. In August we presented the event, The Pict Cycle for a live audience. And despite my fears and issues of health that make difficult certain things, it went well. Aaron is the reason that happened.
This interview was begun in late summer with emailed questions, and his responses are found below. Thank you for reading, and thanks to Aaron for his responses.
Aaron Kerr’s Dissonant Creatures (AKDC) is an extension of my work as a composer and very specific to what I wanted to do with my music. I got a McKnight Composer Fellowship in 2006 and saw this as a turning point. Up to that point I was writing pretty traditional classical music, with a bent towards some of the composers I admired, like Hindemith, Steve Reich, Arvo Part, and all the impressionists.
I had three goals in mind: I wanted something that was easy to pull together with one or more people, I wanted something I could solo over, and I wanted something idiomatic – meaning easy to play in a particular style. So this ended up being four albums of duets, 40 songs total. Each album is inspired by a different kind of music: rock, folk, classical, and jazz. I think of it like my version of Wagner’s Ring Cycle, without the fat lady singing at the end.
Enter Swallows. I had been jamming and playing with these guys for some time before this, mostly as a side man. What I love is that are they kind of into anything weird. I think there is the concept that if you play one kind of music you don’t do anything else, which first of all is not true and secondly I tend to prefer to play with people who have many influences. If you look at the greats: The Beatles, Beach Boys, even Elvis, they were all over the place in terms of their influences, despite their outward facing hits.
So Swallows was totally game to take on my weird instrumental compositions. It definitely started with the simplest pieces – just some melodies and easy changes. Over time I gave them more and more complex arrangements. For a bunch of rock players and songwriters I seriously pushed them into hard stuff – some pieces have no improv and every note is written out. But it was also hard because I wanted them to solo in odd keys and weird rhythms. They ended up learning all the tunes – which is maybe three hours of music, and, yes, we have performed all those tunes in one night.
I’ve got to say it is a real treat as a composer to have that kind of dedication from your players. I’ve got this whole seven piece band that will drop everything to play my music, and that is rare. I often feel like Sun Ra pushing his players past the breaking point in the name of weird music. I do try to treat them well – hotels only and food on the road.
Is that desire, natural flow, or instinct? Maybe all of the above. I think you have to be a bit selfish to be in my position, and if the opportunity presents itself, as it has, then you go for it.
As far as composing versus improv goes, I kind of see them as two building blocks of the same building. Unless you are playing classical, there isn’t a band out there that just plays the written notes. Every musician fleshes out the parts, adds to the arrangement, and tweaks the music somehow, even if most of the notes are written. Even with my classical scores I’m giving the musicians a chance to have input – I keep the instructions pretty basic and see what they do. Sometimes what the musicians do pisses me off – Jeff throws in this damn minor seven note at the end of my greatest piece, The Floor of the Sky. But it’s that tension that makes that part have some flavor, so I shut up and let him do it.
I spoke long ago as well as recently, that your work defies any focused label of genre or of similar work. I won't say unique since I don't have a voluminous memory of bands and styles, but I never heard anything like it. For those curious, yes I liked it too, but does a creator of spontaneous or unlike other music prefer to be thought unique or high quality. And yes I warrant that both are good things.
"Unique" and "high quality" aren't mutually exclusive things. That goes for any type of music, written or improvised.
Let's start with this idea: pure improvisation. There's more to "free form jazz", "avant-garde", or "experimental" than you think. It's the sum of everything that you have done as a performer that you throw into an experimental performance; it includes your history as a player, your chops, your knowledge of genres, and just your simple ability to react in the moment. Think of it like a scientist who has delved into all aspects of science: biology, chemistry, physics, engineering, design, computer science. The output there could be anything and everything. Anything is possible. Then, there's the performer's wisdom. What I mean is the ability to listen, to react to other musicians, to anticipate like a ninja what comes next. Then there is the chemistry between the players - it's got to be there, either through experience or just innate ability to connect. That's a lot going on and should not be underestimated.
Written music has it's own effect and consequences. You have to lay down something really solid for who is performing it. That might be something really simple or something really complex. It doesn't matter, both are good and can be amazing experiences depending on what you've composed and who is playing it. Sometimes a piece of music is a pile of crap until you work on it, sometimes it works right away. A good performer will see that and make the best of any work.
So you can have something unique and bad quality, something not unique and good quality. The ultimate goal is to simply create a great experience. I've heard amazing performances of tired old music that completely blew my mind because it was done so well. And I've heard terrible performances of something I was really anticipating because I thought it was going to be exciting and new. Just keep your mind open people, and it's OK to have an opinion about what you like and don't like!
What am I trying to do when I compose? Good question. I think I
compose in the moment and I'm trying to capture an idea. It doesn't
have to be new or different, I just want it to be the most relevant
and pure articulation of a concept I can do. Two things I can think
of that maybe guide my approach: One, if the music should predictably
go right, I go left. Meaning: I'm always trying to surprise people to
keep the music interesting. Two: one thing someone said to me was
this: "Aaron, your music is like a stick that has been cut down
to a sharp point". I love that (not just because I'm a
carpenter): I'm a minimalist at heart and I tend to find the perfect
thing and leave it at that. No frills, just the meat (I'm also a
vegetarian so that saying is, admittedly, not as good).
Did your recent
work Scorpio Rising come with a desired focus, in tone, in
message or anything? I found the music in person great, as well as wish
it had a CD, and listening to individual songs,
there was a feeling of a building of power, inevitably
raising expectations and anticipation. Was that meant to
happen or was that just a happy circumstance. I've been to
concerts, much longer even. But
for the time spent, the enjoyment of Dissonant Creatures was great, certainly a fine
experience, I left however, thoroughly spent. I never had that, even
at a Replacements concert that was filled to quite a bit
over occupancy and louder than 747's lift off level decibels.
There was absolutely a tone intended for this album, and that tone
was: rock. I wanted a very live sound to the album so we did all the
songs live in studio, doing multiple takes of each song. It was
recorded over two days in one of the best studios in the Cites. I
wanted these songs to come off as very heavy and inexcusably loud
with screaming guitars, dark vibes, and intense rhythms. We kept
turning up the drums in the mix; we began to realize the drums
(played incredibly well by our drummer, Jonathan Townsend) were the
foundation for the album. We got them in a place where they were
punchy and had awesome tone.
AKDC does a bit of everything, and that is on purpose. It's reflective of my past four albums, each one with a focus. Dissonant Creatures (2013) was classical in approach. Union County Forever (2016) is country and folk. Odin (2020) is jazz. Scorpio Rising (2025) is rock. These four albums are my magnum opus - my Wagner ring cycle. For most of our last tour we just played the rock set, but some shows we pull out a wider range of material.
The feeling of power you felt was intended. Every show is different, but that set you saw was meant to take you on a rocket ship to the space station. There are open parts to every song, so some of the anticipation and intention could be spontaneous. But I take these shows seriously and organize the music to be a journey for the audience. I want you to feel spent in a way that is satisfying like a good meal, not like I put you on the rack.
You play in many groups, collectives, and more, does that just come from wanting to play, or do you seek to achieve something greater by it? Is it building a talent by playing in different genres and types of groups? When describing the three times I saw you in person playing, I mentioned how your solos in songs are pure power and glory, making me feel chilled through my bones and flesh. What is your most desired role, composer, cellist, or something else?
Post college I moved to the Cites and was just taking on anything I could do. At that stage in my career that was a good thing to do, and I'd recommend that to anyone starting out - take on any project you have time for, being honest about your ability to who you are working with. At some point you need to pull back; quit the stuff that doesn't move you anymore and focus on what you are excited about. If something's still on your list then make a decision to try it out, but give it a timeline.
If I hadn't of done that, if I didn't experiment and dive in, the "power and glory" of my solos would not be there. I know, know, know this for sure. A friend and bandmate of mine once said "Aaron, the way you play cello is the most original thing you do. No one else plays like that". It was me taking on all these projects that got me to that place. It was also the intensity of my study - not giving up on an idea because it was hard. I wanted to find my true "sound" and spent my life doing that. This is the sacrifice the great artists take to master what they do.
What's
my desired role? I can die happy knowing I've mastered something - my
playing and composing. I want to be a bandleader now, and a music
organizer. I'll die happier if I can make society better for
musicians. I'll do that by setting up shows for AKDC and all the
other projects I'm in. I
will also fight the shallow bastards trying to control everything too
- Spotify and the major labels and the tech capitalists (who are all
complicit). If I can make a dent in all of that, I'll be happy. This
will be the "something greater" I can aspire to.
Beyond
hearing other creators, the music of the past, the new creatives,
what inspires your work on Dissonant Creatures the most? Is it
trusting where the talents in the group take you, or is it something else?"
What I've done with AKDC is build a machine, and it's a pretty awesome one. If you want a band that takes you on a journey, that can be intensely quiet and mysterious or create a massive explosion of sound, we are there. The musicians are top notch: trained players who have been in the trenches and done every type of music and been in every situation. I've honed my sets to operatic perfection - we will satisfy your most dramatic need.
Now it's simply to
play shows. The music is recorded and released. The band stands
ready. We can throw down an amazing performance anywhere - I'm
convinced of it. This is what inspires me: the knowledge that we have
the perfect vehicle for amazing music.